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this spoke radio for the masses how you

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we are live 216 days into the new year

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planets I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is rocket everybody how you do it I'll

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be at a great weekend got an amazing

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week lined up here on the show tonight

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very special guests Alejandro Rojas we

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just call him Alejandro he's got one

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website oh I you know what I blew it

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my open minds t-shirt out and and I

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meant to change and I didn't change I

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didn't change all sorry Alejandro was

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gonna wear the t-shirt I paid for that

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t-shirt and I loved that t-shirt anyway

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all right so tonight Alejandro's here

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some Director of Operations for open

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minds production the host of open minds

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UFO radio right here on Katie RA

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editor and contributing writer for open

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UFO Congress he is also a blogger for

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the Huffington Post Alejandro was also

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public education as a UFO paranormal

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researcher and journalist Alejandro

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investigating anomalous phenomena up

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he has been featured on the Travel

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Channel sci-fi Nat Geo and II his

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website is open minds dot TV and click

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on the links over at Jimmy Church radio

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I'd like to welcome back to fade to

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Alejandro Rojas Alejandro good evening

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how are you man I am doing well thanks

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for having me man you sound like you do

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radio do I really I don't have a voice

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like yours I think I have a weird voice

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but you've got that radio boy rocket

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Jimmy could create you you know I used

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that guy so there you go welcome back

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man how are you I am doing very well the

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the weirdness of what is going on today

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and and this planet is something that I

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really want to get into tonight but and

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and we will but the weirdness of this

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community you were drawn into it at some

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point and did you expect this community

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well it's morphed you know when I got

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were there were kind of all the old guys

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who's really getting up there in age and

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very different and it was there wasn't

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starting up and so it was more community

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MUFON symposium it was more of that

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hatin kind of came and at first you know

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like what's with this you know I'm

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trying to do with share information and

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then you get all this hate but as time

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you put yourself out there you're gonna

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get the trollers now you know we've got

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the term trolled not that that's been

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around hasn't been around a long time

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but it wasn't back in the day so and

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actually the the people who are are

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enjoying what you're doing way out

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number like immensely the trollers you

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when they get out there because you see

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the troll as you hear from them and

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you've just kind of got a like move

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forward you know and and keep getting

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that information out so I eventually

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just began to just focus on that there's

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period of times where I do very little

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researching and writing stories and I

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rest and so it was kind of funny

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out there and and what I started to see

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over time was less hate and more of a

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lot of you know cheerleading going on

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which is nice but it's I always you know

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brace myself whenever I write anything

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that I'm gonna get a lot of people you

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know that are for whatever reason to

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have a problem with it although I don't

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completely not like that because

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actually like some of the skeptics or

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some of the very critical people out

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there who are negative maybe they're

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just not very good at you know being

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constructive when they share information

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correct it and I want to make sure I do

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a better job in the future so yeah kind

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of a love-hate thing there but it's it's

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definitely gotten to where people are so

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get really personal like an hour open

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allow personal attacks and it's fostered

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this great environment where people

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debate there are people in there who

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don't agree with anything I say but

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they're great at debating and and they

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improve what I do when you know we can

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things well it's one thing to debate and

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that oh let's let's go right and you

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know what you and I can have one tonight

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let's let's plan that example you will

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get there at some point but it's it's

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article and and the headline on the

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article is aliens love to drink orange

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juice right and so you write the article

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aliens love to drink orange juice and

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then somebody comes back with man orange

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juice Alejandro you shil I can't believe

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you're representing the mat I can't

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believe man I got you just need to just

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fall off a bridge man I can't it's like

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that it's like hey man how did we get

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orange juice conductor she's out there

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right the orange juice cabal man I knew

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orange juice today I don't I don't even

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drink orange juice you know I found out

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it's that the aliens like the orange

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juice is it because is is it because

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though we are you know our community are

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we an example of actually what's just

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any different we're not shielded by this

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divisive nough status happening in the

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trolling that that goes on across the

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internet that it's we're just like

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everybody else

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even get into what side of the spectrum

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some people out there who nail me on

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this on a regular basis I already know

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and they're probably on there it's you

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know in the chat saying oh I know what

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it is he's one of those that but you

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know there's a lot of it

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there you know whatever anybody says

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practically anywhere I think there's a

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lot of it in science actually scientists

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have been trolling each other since the

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get-go I mean they're they're nerds you

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enthusiastic about something they're not

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necessarily the best you know at the

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social skills so they're going to

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converse it at a different level where

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they can get kind of mean with each

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other so I think every community it

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happens what my personal take on with

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the Internet is when you can do it

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anonymous you can really kind of vent

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and get your anger out there and there

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are a lot of people where I'll say hey

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don't attack someone even if it's

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someone sometimes people will think

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they're defending me and they're

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attacking someone but you know I don't

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want them to attack anybody

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so say hey no personal attacks and a lot

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of times people say you know what I just

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had a bad day I'm sorry I'll delete that

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post and I won't do it again so a lot of

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times people just kind of got a

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self-check themselves when you're

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anonymous and you're online it's easier

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to be mean and hateful and maybe it's

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just a growing thing that we're all

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learning how to use this new thing

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called the Internet and learning how to

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hopefully one day become more civil on

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it but we'll see I guess well you know

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that and this is what I find very funny

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is there are those out there in these

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different camps who know that you're

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going to be on the show tonight and they

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are like hoping that you and I are gonna

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go at it like they go at it mmm and it

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couldn't be farther from the truth and I

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think that they would all be

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disappointed from whatever side of the

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fence they want to come at us from that

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when you and I saw each other last

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weekend we had a we we had it not only a

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great time and a great conversation but

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we were discussing things out there that

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were pretty controversial but you and I

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were just talking like humans and had a

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great conversation and and couldn't wait

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to not only get you know have a

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conversation on the show but to hang out

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once again with each other and I think

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that they would be very disappointed if

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they knew the actual truth

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yes some of them would luckily there's a

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lot of people who in fact I think the

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majority of people and I don't know you

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would know your listeners better but I

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would hope that the majority of people

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would actually find that the wood would

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be happy about that would be like that's

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cool you know that people can have

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different perspectives and still get

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along I think the first thing we did was

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hug and we haven't even seen each other

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since a lot of this has really gotten

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heated right and of course we get the

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messages you know Jimmy said this or or

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Jimmy had John on and they did this or

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whatever and it's like you know well

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everybody and I've said this about

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anybody who's got an opinion everybody

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deserves their own opinion I you know

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that's that's what makes this country

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great and I certainly don't disparage

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anybody for having their own opinion and

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I know you personally so it's not like I

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you know would believe that you're out

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to get me and even if you were and you

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were to attack me on the show you know

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what I that's cool too because that I

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get attacked on these shows occasionally

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when you get on you know people really

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come at you well what about this what

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about that and that's fine I'm ready to

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I'm ready to throw down yeah let's let's

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throw down see this is it this is and I

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have I've said this for years years the

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one thing about and that's before all of

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this other stuff that is surfaced in the

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last year year and a half I have always

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stated that this community is like the

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barbershop this is the place where we

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are supposed to be able to get together

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and speak about anything our our

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opinions and and everything else is

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allowed to go on the table and everybody

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is here to listen and that's the beauty

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of it and the day that that stops

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because people want to censor or say

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that this person's wrong or you know and

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and get angry that's not what the UFO

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community is about and it's never been

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and it's what drew me to this community

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was the openness of it because before I

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got involved in the UFO community before

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my first MUFON meeting I was in the

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closet

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alejandra you know I was in out there

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talking about this kind of stuff I used

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to hide my UFO videos in my home and my

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UFO books if I had company over I didn't

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you know I didn't want me to I hear em

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yeah and and once I got involved in the

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UFO community I was able to talk about

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all of this stuff because everybody else

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was I had that freedom and and I was

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able to emotionally open up about things

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that I wouldn't do before is that what

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drew you to the community no I think

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what drew me I wasn't drawn to the

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community I was drawn to the subject and

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the research more than anything I think

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but I think I also had some good mentors

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to begin with I mean being able to

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participate not that everybody was like

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this but you know with the headquarters

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of MUFON because I grew up and Denver

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and Lakewood where headquarters was for

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many many years

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but also stanton you know especially

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with his passing it really at this

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moment it really makes me reflect on him

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being the perfect example of what we're

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talking about

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he loved to debate you know if someone

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had a different perspective he loved to

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debate and he didn't hate them I don't

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think he ever you know he almost spoke

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about Phil class for example it was it

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was I think you know didn't use it it

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wasn't the most ethical debater I guess

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I'll put it that way

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mm-hmm but Stanton you know never really

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talked bad about him says Shaw stack who

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I believe is more of it ethical but I

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stanton loves to debate him and has no

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problem with him and even when I after

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years and and finally I had done some

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research where I'm like you know what

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I'm finding myself disagreeing

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completely with Sam's perspective on

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this and when I shared that with him the

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first thing he wanted to do let's debate

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it when can I be on your show let's talk

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about it he loved to debate and we did

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debate you know Jeremy Korbel debated

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him at the UFO Congress and some people

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criticized me and said why did you let

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Jeremy attack you know stanton like that

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and I was like you know Stanton was

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having a good time and when we were done

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he had fun he got excited about that

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sort of thing and he

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didn't hold grudges and I think he's a

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perfect example of how this community

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should be and I guess what it was when

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what I felt it was when I entered at

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least with Stanton as an example so you

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know and a lot of people can do that and

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a lot of people do do that and I think

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that's what's positive we gotta learn

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not to take things personal when someone

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disagrees with us there's no problem

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with that

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all of my best friends in this field I

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do not would none of us agree a hundred

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percent on everything all of my best

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friends in the world none of us agree a

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hundred percent on politics that's just

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the way life is but we still love each

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other you know and that's the way we

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don't need to take it personal when

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someone disagrees with us and the the

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the fascinating thing Alejandro is that

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right now like today today nobody really

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knows nothing right we don't know we

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don't know right it's a great point you

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know and it's one of the things I love

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when I debate that's what's great about

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debating is that typically you learn you

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learned something and I always tell

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people I could be a hundred percent

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wrong this is why I've put things

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together this is my perspective but you

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know especially whenever we figure out

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what the some of the truths are about

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some of what's going by on behind some

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of what our interests are you know

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they're no doubt will be some of the

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people who we never we thought were

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totally way off base are gonna turn out

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to be right none of us know for sure I

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know I know I've I've said this quote so

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many times now but it's it's worth it a

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couple of years ago Giorgio was on the

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show and he said these words and I've

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just I've repeated it ever since he goes

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you know what Jimmy when when that

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flying saucer lands and and et steps off

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and starts talking to us we're gonna

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find out none of us were correct yeah I

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think he's right you know yeah yep yep

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and that's that's that's the one thing

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or so with this unless

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somebody's got an autographed

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embroidered Zeta Reticuli tour jacket

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right and listen I like that unless you

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came back with one of those nobodies an

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expert here you know we've all got our

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experiences when before you joined MUFON

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and and came into this community did you

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have a sighting was there something

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though

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I was different most people have had a

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sighting that came into this but

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actually John Schuessler hasn't

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I don't believe and some of you might

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not know who he was but he was one of

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the founders of mouflon

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he actually worked for NASA he was a

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contractor but he would have brown bag

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lunches once in a while to talk about

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UFOs at like Johnson Space Center but a

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great guy here and move on for a period

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of time and when I joined MUFON he was

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running it but you know oh where was I

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headed with that what was your question

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did you have a sighting oh yeah he

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hadn't had a sign out I think he ever

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had a sign now I think Stanton ever had

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a signing so I'm kind of in that group I

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didn't have a sighting it was just my

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curiosity my scientific curiosity I was

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a you know really into math and science

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I was a rocket science

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went into school to be an engineer an

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aerospace engineer so rocket science is

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what I wanted to do but then I quickly

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turned to journalism and and then I also

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you know because of my Native American

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and Mexican background which is kind of

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more open to kind of the paranormal I

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had an interest although skeptical so

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those were kind of what were my

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motivations were I just found it really

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interesting and the more I found out was

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that you know the more this was a big

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story that wasn't being covered well the

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big there was a lot of news here that

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wasn't being getting to the mainstream

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or being covered and that's what kind of

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what my motivation was it wasn't until

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many years after that I had a sighting

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and I've only had maybe two or three and

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they're not that interesting really I'd

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love to have better one so no it was

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deciding that that really drove me you

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just mentioned we're gonna be heading

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towards a break in a second you've had

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some sightings and you've also gone out

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and and done an awful lot of research on

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the subject

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um what would it take for you to for a

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sighting I'm not talking about something

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landing in your front yard but what

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would it take for you with the sighting

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to go okay that that ain't us that's

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something that I can't explain

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that's not advanced military stuff that

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is something else what what would it

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take for you to make that statement I

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don't know that would be a really tough

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one um I don't know I guess something

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would have to land and then something

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would have to come out for me to go that

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far I mean it would have to be very

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definitive for me because you know when

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it comes to technology let's take what a

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major let's say black project we didn't

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know about it till many years after it

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was already flying especially when it

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comes to like um you know spy planes and

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so uh we we can't roll that those things

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out all of the you know very easily just

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by I would say maneuverability or you

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know the technical characteristics of

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the craft so not a hundred percent I

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would say at least so yeah it would take

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something like you know landing and the

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guys coming out and saying hey here's

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your I heard you were in - you wanted a

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zacchara - reticulate - or jacket and

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you know we've got them for sale here

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well see we and I'm talking about you

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and I we have acquired a lot of

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knowledge from from interviews I have

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done way north of a thousand you're in

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the same boat that I am and so when you

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do that type of conversation over and

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over again you're also learning so let

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me let me ask you about what you've

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00:24:05,419 --> 00:24:02,960
learned do you what is your what is your

541
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,429
stance on

542
00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:08,580
et visiting this planet in the distant

543
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:12,990
past at least one time I would say

544
00:24:20,530 --> 00:24:17,190
personally I don't know yeah I would say

545
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:20,540
I personally cannot say for sure that

546
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,390
has happened I would say there there's a

547
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:26,580
lot of mystery out there and you know

548
00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:28,650
when it comes to science which is

549
00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:31,920
something else I cover for den of geek

550
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:33,870
and I've covered it for Huffington Post

551
00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:36,809
and and others I've interviewed

552
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,300
astronauts and scientists of many types

553
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:41,400
and what's interesting about science

554
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:43,920
especially space science is the answers

555
00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:46,740
typically turn out to be something we

556
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:49,460
never could have imagined something that

557
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,200
scientists never even thought of to

558
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:54,600
speculate about this happens over and

559
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:58,050
over and over and over again so when we

560
00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:00,179
get the answer to dark matter what it is

561
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:03,030
or even if it exists or why we even

562
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:05,130
think because they're certain you know

563
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,320
observation as to why we suspect there

564
00:25:11,419 --> 00:25:09,900
is such a thing but it could be due to

565
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:11,429
something completely different than what

566
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:13,470
we think it is and it most likely will

567
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:18,059
be so at this point I don't even like to

568
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,090
venture as to without information as to

569
00:25:24,860 --> 00:25:23,100
you know what it might because there's

570
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:24,870
we just don't know there's so many

571
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:26,760
different possibilities I think this is

572
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,100
kind of the the perspective that valet

573
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:31,440
and Hynek brought and I understand it a

574
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,690
lot better now because you know there

575
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:35,700
are so many possibilities we don't know

576
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:39,960
what we don't know essentially so yeah I

577
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:41,550
don't know for sure I think there are

578
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:44,490
definitely mysteries that we don't know

579
00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:46,770
how certain things happened in the past

580
00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:50,280
I think you know Giorgio and Childress

581
00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:51,990
on ancient aliens bring up a lot of

582
00:25:56,540 --> 00:25:54,660
great cases where what the heck is that

583
00:25:58,220 --> 00:25:56,550
you know how the heck did that happen I

584
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:58,230
don't know that I would go so far as

585
00:26:03,290 --> 00:26:01,500
Giorgio and say it salient but it could

586
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,300
be some sort of technology that's lost

587
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:05,940
to the ages I think it could be a number

588
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:07,050
of things that we just haven't

589
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:09,030
discovered yet so that's what's

590
00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:10,950
wonderful battleworld there's a lot of

591
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:12,660
mystery and there's a lot to discover

592
00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:17,970
what about today mm-hmm there now

593
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,990
today I would again say I don't know I'm

594
00:26:26,749 --> 00:26:24,960
not sure I would say these technologies

595
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:26,759
he's these aircraft that we're observing

596
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,730
could be something else you know it

597
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:31,860
could be something from the future could

598
00:26:35,659 --> 00:26:34,200
be something even abductions could be

599
00:26:38,749 --> 00:26:35,669
something from the future abductions

600
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:38,759
could be a number of things i you know

601
00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:40,049
john mack didn't even think they were

602
00:26:48,409 --> 00:26:44,190
physical for example who is famous for

603
00:26:50,419 --> 00:26:48,419
you know looking into the topic so yeah

604
00:26:53,419 --> 00:26:50,429
I would say unless we know definitively

605
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:53,429
I can't say for sure that I know are the

606
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,470
questions are still open and I think a

607
00:26:58,999 --> 00:26:57,480
lot of people are uncomfortable they

608
00:27:00,919 --> 00:26:59,009
want to know they want to say nope it's

609
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:00,929
this it's that and they're not

610
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:03,809
comfortable with not knowing but and you

611
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:06,330
do have to get comfortable to be sticky

612
00:27:12,889 --> 00:27:10,289
you know to say I don't know what do we

613
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:12,899
do we're gonna pick this up when we come

614
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:18,299
back what do we do as a community as a

615
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:21,330
society what do we do with all of the

616
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,090
UFO headlines that we've been dealing

617
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:26,220
with for the last year and a half it

618
00:27:29,539 --> 00:27:28,169
certainly seems that the the media is

619
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,549
comfortable and talking about the

620
00:27:35,659 --> 00:27:33,120
subject which means so many now that

621
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:35,669
haven't thought about it before believe

622
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,610
that UFOs are real and are visiting this

623
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,679
planet and that's the effect of mass

624
00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:43,620
media isn't it yes I think you're right

625
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:46,169
and I think that we have to teach them I

626
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:48,690
think it's an education process for

627
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:50,820
especially for those of us who know and

628
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,480
we have to be very adamant and staunch

629
00:27:58,999 --> 00:27:56,340
and you know we've got a stand for our

630
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,009
position so for instance when this Navy

631
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,559
stuff comes out you know a lot of people

632
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,480
not that anybody in the Navy said it was

633
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,580
aliens but the headlines say aliens and

634
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:08,399
the interviewers say aliens and you know

635
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:09,990
it's something that you know when people

636
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:12,090
are being interviewed they've got to say

637
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:14,460
I never said aliens and they've really

638
00:28:18,259 --> 00:28:16,740
got to correct people and say I didn't

639
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,269
say that what I said is we have a

640
00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:20,220
genuine mystery here that we need to

641
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,950
figure out nobody knows what this is we

642
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:25,679
do not have this technology so whose is

643
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,710
it we don't know and I think that's an

644
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:30,480
example where we have to really start

645
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,980
educating

646
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:34,080
the mainstream in the media so they can

647
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:36,330
start to understand this better and I

648
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:38,250
wrote a story recently actually for the

649
00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:41,190
Roswell Daily Record and I put it in my

650
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:44,070
blog where you know the media is

651
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:46,020
starting to now say what are these

652
00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:47,850
Chinese and or Russian

653
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:49,590
yep in a lot of UFO people are like oh

654
00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:51,330
man what the heck why are they saying

655
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,550
that well that's a good thing actually

656
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,500
because now they're starting to see that

657
00:28:58,940 --> 00:28:58,140
hey there is something here what is it

658
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:58,950
whose is it

659
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,140
and at least when they begin the process

660
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:03,179
to start to look at the Russian or

661
00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:06,179
Chinese possibility they'll probably

662
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:08,190
come to the same conclusion that many of

663
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:09,960
us have which is no it's not their

664
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,260
technology either and so then they move

665
00:29:18,919 --> 00:29:15,120
to the next step of whoa we have

666
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,929
something really mysterious here when we

667
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:20,700
come back we're going to continue this

668
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:23,010
conversation right where we're leaving

669
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:26,070
off because when I have pointed out a

670
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:28,290
couple of times on the air that you know

671
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:32,010
UFOs an alien is something that is left

672
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,929
out of the conversation when it comes to

673
00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:35,940
you know to like Harry Reid or anybody

674
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:38,670
else that is taken an official stance

675
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:41,490
here and then I get bombarded back in

676
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:44,520
social media and email going no man that

677
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:46,710
that's all they talk about is is UFOs

678
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,840
and aliens they've stated it here and

679
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:50,340
here and I'm just like people want to

680
00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:53,460
hear and read what they want to hear and

681
00:30:00,080 --> 00:29:57,620
read and not Harry Reid but Reid Reid

682
00:30:02,150 --> 00:30:00,090
well we'll pick this up when we come

683
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,160
back our guest tonight is Alejandro

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00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:06,000
Rojas UFO minds UFO radio right here on

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00:30:12,919 --> 00:30:09,830
kgr a of course the website is UFO minds

686
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,929
TV though link is over at Timmy Church

687
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:14,640
radio , we'll be right back more of

688
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:16,410
Alejandro right after this short break

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00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:17,530
stay with us

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I

692
00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:40,950
am your host Jimmy Church you can follow

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00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:44,549
me on Twitter at Jay Church radio you

694
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:48,690
can follow Alejandro at open minds TV on

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00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:51,030
Twitter hashtag F to B is the sandbox

696
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:53,190
we're gonna go through two three four

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00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,780
thousand tweets tonight during the show

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00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:56,880
so come over and join the conversation

699
00:31:01,820 --> 00:30:59,010
right there whip to chat rooms open one

700
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over at Spreaker went over at kg RA the

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00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:04,559
planet our guest tonight Alejandro Rojas

702
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:06,990
Alejandra let me throw let me throw a

703
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:11,280
hypothetical out there okay here we go

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00:31:23,539 --> 00:31:15,350
this is the hypothetical open minds TV

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00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:23,549
it's eight staff members for our ex-cia

706
00:31:37,580 --> 00:31:31,850
and for our counterintelligence pentagon

707
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:37,590
agents X could you imagine what you

708
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:40,980
would have to deal with on a daily basis

709
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:51,890
well of course we can see that today

710
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:55,620
right here and right now however to me

711
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:00,419
that sort of team is extremely exciting

712
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:03,659
because you know the UFO communities

713
00:32:08,659 --> 00:32:06,179
already there they already realize that

714
00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:08,669
this is a serious issue that they're

715
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:10,830
there's a mystery here that needs

716
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:13,140
solving that people need to be educated

717
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,130
on this they're already there so of

718
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:18,840
course they're gonna have some issues

719
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:20,970
they're gonna and you know what I use

720
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:23,190
this term you know especially when it

721
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:26,580
comes online the UFO community is best

722
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:28,770
at eating its own I mean we always beat

723
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:30,750
up and destroy each other unfortunately

724
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,900
in that community so no matter what you

725
00:32:38,659 --> 00:32:36,080
do you can expect a lot of heat but

726
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:38,669
what's great about that configuration

727
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:40,740
that you just talked about is that it's

728
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:45,360
going to have a larger impact in is that

729
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:49,049
we need to get into mainstream media

730
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:51,240
mainstream sign

731
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:55,320
and networking and connections inside of

732
00:33:00,770 --> 00:32:58,410
the military and inside of Washington

733
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,780
and that's what you're gonna be able to

734
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:02,520
get with a team that you're talking

735
00:33:07,030 --> 00:33:04,170
about and then you're gonna be able to

736
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:07,040
make some amazing strides I think and

737
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,380
that's why I would see because when I'm

738
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:12,600
writing or even when I'm doing a show

739
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:15,060
I'm thinking that my listeners they've

740
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:16,950
never they don't know anything about

741
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:18,750
UFOs maybe they're skeptical and they're

742
00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:20,370
like what what is this UFO thing I'm

743
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,680
gonna dip my toe in here and see what

744
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:24,750
the heck's going on here and and that's

745
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,330
who I'm speaking to when I'm writing or

746
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:30,240
I'm doing the show and having a team

747
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:31,920
like that behind me it's gonna make me

748
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:34,740
even more effective at getting to those

749
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:37,860
people and that's why that gets me

750
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:39,990
really excited because that's who I'm

751
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:42,210
talking to I'm trying to get to and and

752
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:45,240
to demonstrate the the serious nature

753
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:48,270
and the abundance of information out

754
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,570
there that brings credibility to this to

755
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:53,640
this issue and trying to break that kind

756
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:56,490
of giggle factor and so that's what's so

757
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,690
exciting in that scenario except you

758
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:03,120
didn't answer the question of I agree I

759
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:05,220
agree with what you just said though oh

760
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:07,530
yeah well expect heat there's no doubt

761
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,850
about it you're gonna get heat and

762
00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:10,440
you're gonna get you know the most

763
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:12,600
amount of heat you could probably get

764
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:14,010
because you're talking about

765
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:17,730
intelligence people and so you know

766
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:24,030
these are - but I mean that here's one

767
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:25,560
of the things that really disappoint me

768
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:28,620
and about the conspiratorial nature of

769
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:33,480
all of this is that you know those of

770
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:37,650
you who were in the Armed Forces or in

771
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,310
law enforcement I mean why did you do

772
00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:43,980
what you did you put your life on the

773
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:46,860
line to protect the rest of us that's

774
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:48,540
why people join these organizations

775
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:51,510
that's why people go do these sort of

776
00:34:58,610 --> 00:34:55,530
things and we demonize these people

777
00:35:03,050 --> 00:34:58,620
often with suspicion and speculation and

778
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:03,060
not hard facts figuring that there's a

779
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:04,230
lot of what

780
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:06,330
would actually be illegal and

781
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,000
counterintelligence being programs being

782
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:12,000
used against the American public no

783
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,130
doubt certainly that has happened we do

784
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:16,859
know there have been cases but that's

785
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:19,859
not what they're doing day by day night

786
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:22,619
by night they are tracking terrorists

787
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:25,320
they are tracking bad guys they're

788
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,890
keeping you safe and I know a lot of

789
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,140
people say oh that bullcrap you know but

790
00:35:37,099 --> 00:35:34,020
yet here's how you find out what they're

791
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:37,109
doing you go interview people you go get

792
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:39,330
into these agencies you figure out what

793
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:40,020
they're doing

794
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:43,770
I mean it's theirs that's the thing what

795
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,400
journalism is are much more complicated

796
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:50,880
than just black the black and white kind

797
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:55,260
of way people see things and and you got

798
00:36:00,590 --> 00:35:58,530
to get your roll up your shirt sleeves

799
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:00,600
and get in there you know start digging

800
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:03,540
and to figure out really the the

801
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:05,700
mechanics and the nuances behind things

802
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:11,570
well okay and since this community is so

803
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:14,700
acclimated to fighting the man and

804
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,880
trying to get to this information you

805
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:19,920
know and been ridiculed for so long and

806
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:21,540
laughed at you said it yourself you know

807
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,390
the laughs actor true that you know that

808
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:26,760
the defense mechanisms are always up and

809
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,119
they are very used to a disappointment

810
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:33,359
in this community and now suddenly the

811
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:36,780
man is coming out going were your friend

812
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:40,980
now okay we're all ex-cia we're all X

813
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:43,619
counterintelligence we're all you know

814
00:36:50,359 --> 00:36:46,170
security clearances and oaths and we've

815
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,369
got all of it now just trust us and this

816
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:53,160
community is is it's not necessarily

817
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:56,190
going to jump in feet first they tried

818
00:37:02,450 --> 00:36:59,820
to with the New York Times and you know

819
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:02,460
the day of disclosure December of 2017

820
00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:05,490
those were exciting times but you can't

821
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:08,550
blame this community for you know

822
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:10,590
stepping back a couple of steps not

823
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:15,270
going all in can you I I can I would

824
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:17,310
never blame anybody for skepticism

825
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:18,010
because skeptic

826
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:20,350
is healthy but that's not what the

827
00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:23,230
community always does parts of the

828
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:26,440
community do do that in fact a lot of my

829
00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:28,930
friends who are very serious researchers

830
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:31,840
were very skeptical from the get-go and

831
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:35,110
I don't blame people for that at all I

832
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:37,290
think that that's healthy and and wise

833
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:40,060
until you're able to gather more

834
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,420
information you've got to be on your

835
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:46,480
toes and I think you know we always have

836
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:49,090
to be because you never know where there

837
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:51,690
might be tricks being played or

838
00:37:59,490 --> 00:37:54,970
something fishy going on so you always

839
00:38:00,690 --> 00:37:59,500
have to be aware I mean I do live by the

840
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:00,700
trust no one

841
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:06,160
fox mulder kind of motto at some level

842
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:09,010
but at the same time you also have to

843
00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:10,840
make progress you got to do research

844
00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:12,940
you've got to get in there you've got to

845
00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:16,600
build relationships I think that you

846
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:18,790
know out of for instance I'm here

847
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:19,990
talking with you where some people

848
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:22,030
thought oh a Jimmy and I launder they

849
00:38:25,650 --> 00:38:24,130
must hate each other but you know

850
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:25,660
building relationships it's really

851
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:27,310
important having open lines of

852
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:30,310
communications even and especially with

853
00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:34,620
those who you are suspicious of or are

854
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:39,220
don't agree with because you're not

855
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:40,660
always gonna be right like we talked

856
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:42,340
about earlier and you're gonna need

857
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:44,950
those lines of you know the

858
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:46,690
relationships with people who were right

859
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:52,300
and or you're gonna need insight into if

860
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:54,220
you want to be ahead of the game how

861
00:38:58,980 --> 00:38:56,770
things went awry maybe you'll be able to

862
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,990
identify hey this is fishy over here I'm

863
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:00,640
gonna keep an eye on this and then you

864
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:02,620
turn out to be right you're ahead of the

865
00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:05,140
game because you already knew some of

866
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:07,420
these problems that were existing before

867
00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:09,550
and you've kept an eye on it so yeah you

868
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:12,990
always have to be on your toes I think I

869
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:16,810
totally agree with that but concepts

870
00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:22,720
like the man who is the man there is no

871
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:26,020
man there are millions of individuals

872
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:30,330
working desperate jobs working

873
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:33,780
and with different motives different

874
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:37,800
agencies at with you know it's extremely

875
00:39:42,740 --> 00:39:40,680
complicated than to say the man and in

876
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:42,750
this scenario when you're talking about

877
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:46,710
X I would say these aren't the man these

878
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:50,220
are something other than the man in fact

879
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:54,330
these are in some cases let's take John

880
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:57,150
Alexander for example who's part of the

881
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,440
the mechanism who is saying well I want

882
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:04,020
to know who the man is even though to

883
00:40:08,330 --> 00:40:06,690
the novice to the to the layman outside

884
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,340
of the system would say well you are the

885
00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:10,500
man and he's thinking I'm not the man

886
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:12,680
I'm looking for who the man is you know

887
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:15,810
it it's much more complicated than just

888
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:19,010
to say you know everybody's part of some

889
00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:23,940
man would see a man organization right

890
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:30,360
right and the the the view of many out

891
00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:36,000
there which is the the viewpoint right

892
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:39,120
now the opinion that is that is out

893
00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:41,220
there expressed in the media and you

894
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:43,980
know that is coming from at ETS a in

895
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:47,040
their PPR machine and coming back into

896
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:52,380
the media is is only going to be from a

897
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,890
view that is there's an opinion that is

898
00:41:03,080 --> 00:40:58,560
there's one that has always been tainted

899
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,090
in the past and that is who is there

900
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,280
well it's but do you understand what I'm

901
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:06,960
saying that's the argument that is out

902
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:09,300
at all actually I'm trying to understand

903
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,690
so for instance when you say tts a and

904
00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:14,640
their PR mechanism they don't really

905
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:17,430
have a PR mechanism they have one person

906
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:21,870
who kind of does different jobs to try

907
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:25,350
to get information out there's very few

908
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:30,210
people trying to wear many hats trying

909
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:33,270
their best to share and the media

910
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:37,320
certainly not being on board with that

911
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:40,890
at all the media being a completely

912
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:44,070
separate entity that

913
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:48,330
has not been aligned with the message I

914
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:51,510
would say of what it's being now I would

915
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:53,370
say the New York Times was was pretty

916
00:41:58,700 --> 00:41:56,070
well aligned but that's one of a rare

917
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,710
instance and that's mostly because

918
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:01,200
Leslie Cain had a very long relationship

919
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:03,930
with some of the individuals that were

920
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:06,300
part of all this there I wouldn't even

921
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:09,000
say George Knapp is aligned with T TSA

922
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:11,460
he does his own work even though he has

923
00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:13,470
a really long relationship with many of

924
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:15,840
the people but George Knapp is very

925
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,610
independent

926
00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:20,160
they certainly although there is a

927
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:23,070
perception out there I can say this

928
00:42:28,610 --> 00:42:26,220
being in regular contact with all of the

929
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:28,620
parties involved especially George that

930
00:42:35,090 --> 00:42:32,700
you know the lines of inquiry that he

931
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:35,100
has pursued and this is what frittering

932
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:36,990
because he deserves a lot of credit he

933
00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:40,260
has developed those on his own Leslie

934
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:44,360
Cain developed sources on her own and

935
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,250
they were able to pursue and get more

936
00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:49,680
information out than they were given

937
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,190
from T TSA there's a lot if we were up

938
00:42:58,700 --> 00:42:56,040
left just to what T TSA would share with

939
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:58,710
us we would probably only have half the

940
00:43:02,560 --> 00:42:59,160
story

941
00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:02,570
max especially without the input of

942
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:06,600
Leslie and and George well their

943
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,290
independent research and work yeah okay

944
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:12,540
putting putting those two aside what

945
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:16,800
what I the question was though that the

946
00:43:25,850 --> 00:43:19,860
what has been laid out there in in the

947
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:25,860
community that what is coming from T TSA

948
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:28,950
from the group the statements the the

949
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:33,510
the when I say mass media the news

950
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:37,350
organizations and what is tied to their

951
00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:39,510
PR company I'll give you the name of the

952
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:42,360
PR company here in a second it with all

953
00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:45,470
of that that no matter what it is from

954
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:49,860
their side and we look at the list of

955
00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:54,210
employees and it has to be tainted it is

956
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:57,550
their story their version of events

957
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:00,520
and that is that is the concern that is

958
00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:02,230
out there and so what is your response

959
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:02,860
to that

960
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:04,990
could it be taint it could it be from

961
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,470
one side or not like the use of the word

962
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:11,200
threat you know that that is out there I

963
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:13,990
guess I still don't get it because

964
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:17,800
there's there's the message certainly

965
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:20,980
the message that to the Stars is putting

966
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:23,320
out there is in our own but that's

967
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:25,210
intuitive that that that would be

968
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,860
obvious because it's their message it's

969
00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:29,200
their voice and they're sharing the

970
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:31,120
information that is being shared with

971
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:35,350
the media is by no means to the Stars

972
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:40,330
voice I I would beside if you especially

973
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:42,120
if you're putting like Leslie and George

974
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:47,830
aside I don't know who you would be

975
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:50,350
referring to that is parroting what to

976
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:52,570
the stars is saying because they're not

977
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,210
let's take CNN for example they're

978
00:45:00,590 --> 00:44:57,700
throwing in terms like a lien they're

979
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:00,600
getting you know not all of the points

980
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:04,110
you know right they are interviewing

981
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:06,730
Navy pilots and certainly they're

982
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:09,550
interfacing and making queries to the

983
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:13,390
Navy outside of to the stars they are at

984
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:17,260
times you know questioning some of the

985
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:21,940
information or even you know identifying

986
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,350
in some cases what they see as

987
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:27,280
discrepancies but there certainly I

988
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:29,770
think a hefty amount of skepticism

989
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:33,460
coming from most of the media Tucker

990
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,670
Carlson with Fox News is definitely

991
00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:39,520
highly interested in what all of these

992
00:45:43,590 --> 00:45:41,590
guys have to say but he's not just

993
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:43,600
interviewing to the stars he's also

994
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:46,600
talking to Nick Pope quite a bit and the

995
00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:51,910
pilots themselves so those are three

996
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:54,940
different perspectives that are being

997
00:46:00,360 --> 00:45:58,450
shared so I don't see personally that

998
00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:00,370
you know if that's where you're getting

999
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,860
at and that's what I'm well that's

1000
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,480
saying is that the the media is

1001
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:06,400
parroting you know what T to the stars

1002
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,950
is is saying and I don't see that at all

1003
00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:10,240
yeah and

1004
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:13,420
and the the community out there and

1005
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:16,600
certainly to those that will be posting

1006
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:18,250
in Twitter about this conversation

1007
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:20,110
tomorrow all right

1008
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:23,500
orator tonight are going to say the

1009
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:26,920
exact opposite well if they're in that

1010
00:46:30,990 --> 00:46:29,530
some of them will know what hold on let

1011
00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:31,000
me finish my thought though okay go

1012
00:46:33,330 --> 00:46:31,300
ahead

1013
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:33,340
they will say the exact opposite they

1014
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:35,950
will say that it is because of to the

1015
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:40,720
stars and in their PR that that to the

1016
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:42,940
stars brought the Navy pilots out to the

1017
00:46:46,109 --> 00:46:45,310
stars brought the videos out to the

1018
00:46:51,450 --> 00:46:46,119
stars

1019
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:51,460
did the Elizondo the the briefings to

1020
00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:55,390
the Senate to the stars expose to Tucker

1021
00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:57,820
Carlson who took it to president Trump

1022
00:47:02,370 --> 00:46:59,770
it's all because of to the Stars

1023
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,380
everything has happened today and it's

1024
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,000
so it's the exact opposite of what

1025
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:05,920
you're saying right now and that's the

1026
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,920
way that they will always argue their

1027
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,440
point about to the Stars influence which

1028
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:14,800
seems to be everything because of

1029
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:17,410
because of today too because of today

1030
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,050
what has happened is because of to the

1031
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:23,200
stars and Chris Mullin and Elizondo and

1032
00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:26,920
justice and and on and on and on okay

1033
00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:29,140
that's that's that's not me that's the

1034
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,020
community speaking that some in the

1035
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:34,000
community speaking certainly not even

1036
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:36,220
close to all the community and of course

1037
00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:39,640
we have different communities you you

1038
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:42,369
know I have my followers who I see some

1039
00:47:46,109 --> 00:47:44,470
of what they're saying and it and from

1040
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:46,119
my perspective I would say the majority

1041
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:48,609
are not saying that and of course from

1042
00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:50,230
your perspective you you would see that

1043
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:52,390
the majority are so it's probably

1044
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:55,720
somewhere in between and they can battle

1045
00:48:00,330 --> 00:47:57,970
that all they want but when it comes

1046
00:48:03,330 --> 00:48:00,340
back to the actual origins of the

1047
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:03,340
information you're right T TSA has been

1048
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:06,930
the one to tip everyone off expecially

1049
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:12,010
Lou Elizondo because there are we do

1050
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:14,650
know at least I could say I know Chris

1051
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:17,890
Mellon was aware of Elizondo certainly

1052
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,550
all of Bigelow Aerospace was aware of a

1053
00:48:25,959 --> 00:48:23,599
tip and and aza

1054
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:25,969
that too you know Pentagon programs

1055
00:48:30,359 --> 00:48:27,890
looking into this stuff because they

1056
00:48:33,729 --> 00:48:30,369
were contractors for those program so

1057
00:48:36,219 --> 00:48:33,739
people that were in the know in the

1058
00:48:38,109 --> 00:48:36,229
Bigelow organization for example we

1059
00:48:39,849 --> 00:48:38,119
talked about John Alexander who worked

1060
00:48:42,939 --> 00:48:39,859
with Biglow he wasn't in the know so

1061
00:48:44,439 --> 00:48:42,949
some weren't and of course with MUFON we

1062
00:48:46,329 --> 00:48:44,449
weren't aware when we were working with

1063
00:48:49,319 --> 00:48:46,339
big low back in the past we didn't know

1064
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:49,329
that that relationship was likely also

1065
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:52,329
involved you know a SAP and ain't hip

1066
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,380
but when you're talking about like the

1067
00:49:02,229 --> 00:49:00,079
pilots the pilots have to get permission

1068
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,239
from the Navy press office before they

1069
00:49:08,799 --> 00:49:04,640
can come out so the Navy's the one who's

1070
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:08,809
going to sanction the the active pilot

1071
00:49:17,699 --> 00:49:13,190
such as the related to the newer case

1072
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:17,709
the 2015 Florida case mhm the Roosevelt

1073
00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:21,049
those they're gonna get their directives

1074
00:49:25,390 --> 00:49:24,109
or they're from the Navy about what they

1075
00:49:29,969 --> 00:49:25,400
could talk about and what they can't

1076
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:29,979
talk about that's the way that works but

1077
00:49:34,269 --> 00:49:32,660
just because to the stars is tipping

1078
00:49:38,469 --> 00:49:34,279
people off that these organizations

1079
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,479
exist doesn't mean that they're the ones

1080
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:41,420
who are going to be providing all of the

1081
00:49:47,439 --> 00:49:43,609
information and I think this is a one of

1082
00:49:50,799 --> 00:49:47,449
the misconceptions that happens and and

1083
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,809
it to be honest is just from it's like I

1084
00:49:55,809 --> 00:49:52,880
said earlier like the case is usually

1085
00:49:58,509 --> 00:49:55,819
much more complicated than people expect

1086
00:50:01,120 --> 00:49:58,519
so for instance when Leslie Cain is

1087
00:50:03,849 --> 00:50:01,130
aware of this story and she gets some

1088
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:03,859
information she goes to route Ralph

1089
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:05,569
Blumenthal who she knows is a New York

1090
00:50:10,839 --> 00:50:08,089
time writer who is into this topic and

1091
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:10,849
they finally are able to sell the story

1092
00:50:14,890 --> 00:50:13,130
to the New York Times who also gives

1093
00:50:17,709 --> 00:50:14,900
them their Pentagon their top Pentagon

1094
00:50:21,189 --> 00:50:17,719
Reporter then they have to begin digging

1095
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,199
to get a story you certainly don't want

1096
00:50:26,229 --> 00:50:23,839
to use one source for everything and

1097
00:50:28,479 --> 00:50:26,239
they did not we know this from the

1098
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:28,489
writers and that's not how the New York

1099
00:50:35,019 --> 00:50:31,880
Times works they are skeptical they're

1100
00:50:37,329 --> 00:50:35,029
gonna say okay Lu sure you did this

1101
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:37,339
Pentagon program but we need to verify

1102
00:50:43,739 --> 00:50:39,410
that so then they go to their sources

1103
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:43,749
and they vet all of this information and

1104
00:50:50,709 --> 00:50:47,359
we're even able to get more sources that

1105
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:50,719
were outside of to the Stars and

1106
00:50:55,749 --> 00:50:54,079
Elizondo in fact I know and this is from

1107
00:50:58,569 --> 00:50:55,759
interviews that I've done with all of

1108
00:51:00,519 --> 00:50:58,579
these individuals mostly online they

1109
00:51:01,989 --> 00:51:00,529
were not aware that the New York Times

1110
00:51:06,459 --> 00:51:01,999
was going to release both of those

1111
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:06,469
videos or even get those videos so I'm

1112
00:51:11,289 --> 00:51:09,049
not even from my understanding at this

1113
00:51:13,509 --> 00:51:11,299
point they don't even know how the New

1114
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,519
York Times got those and they were not

1115
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:15,920
prepared for it if you notice the New

1116
00:51:21,339 --> 00:51:18,049
York Times came out first with those two

1117
00:51:24,729 --> 00:51:21,349
videos to the stars then later posted

1118
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:24,739
there three and they from what I

1119
00:51:28,329 --> 00:51:26,569
understand weren't even prepared to post

1120
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:28,339
those videos at the time the New York

1121
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:31,210
article New York Times article came out

1122
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:33,890
there are different sources here well

1123
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:36,170
are you suggesting then that to the

1124
00:51:41,279 --> 00:51:38,450
stars had nothing to do with the Navy

1125
00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:41,289
pilots coming forward or the videos

1126
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:43,880
being released that that had nothing to

1127
00:51:53,489 --> 00:51:52,150
being displayed to the public yes to the

1128
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:53,499
stars

1129
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:00,079
well we know that the DoD released the

1130
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:05,569
videos I think that we can we can

1131
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:08,930
definitely I guess we'd have to say

1132
00:52:16,779 --> 00:52:11,930
speculate because we can't say that it's

1133
00:52:19,269 --> 00:52:16,789
on the record that Elizondo was the guy

1134
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,279
who made those videos come out but I

1135
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:21,920
would speculate and say most likely that

1136
00:52:26,769 --> 00:52:24,650
is the case that you know he's the one

1137
00:52:30,099 --> 00:52:26,779
who identified those and and tried to

1138
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:30,109
get those out and was successful getting

1139
00:52:36,489 --> 00:52:34,130
the Navy's permission and you know as

1140
00:52:39,759 --> 00:52:36,499
we've seen from the DP 1910 form and

1141
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:39,769
then those videos being then accessible

1142
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:41,690
to the public but they were not the

1143
00:52:46,779 --> 00:52:44,089
first to release those videos of course

1144
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:46,789
one of those videos was leaked early on

1145
00:52:51,319 --> 00:52:50,180
in like 2007 we still do not know who

1146
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:51,329
leaked that

1147
00:52:58,349 --> 00:52:55,690
and New York Times was the first to put

1148
00:53:01,319 --> 00:52:58,359
out those two other videos and the New

1149
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:01,329
York Times was the first to share those

1150
00:53:06,809 --> 00:53:03,700
videos with the public not to the stars

1151
00:53:11,069 --> 00:53:06,819
to the Stars was the first to show the

1152
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:11,079
third video and so they're only

1153
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:13,750
responsible for publicizing you know

1154
00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:15,630
getting out to the public than one video

1155
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:18,700
as far as that goes

1156
00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:21,250
so we've got to head towards a break

1157
00:53:28,050 --> 00:53:24,460
here but ok when when Chris melons

1158
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:28,060
website had the photographs of the DVDs

1159
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:31,450
right and and that went out you're

1160
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:34,089
saying that Chris melon didn't supply

1161
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,300
the New York Times with the videos that

1162
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:40,480
he already had in his possession yes

1163
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:44,920
according to Leslie Kane the truth jars

1164
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:46,900
was not the source for those videos they

1165
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:49,540
got those videos from a separate DoD

1166
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:52,810
source hmm interesting and I've also

1167
00:53:56,579 --> 00:53:54,670
confirmed this with people into the

1168
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:56,589
stars is that true did you not even know

1169
00:54:00,270 --> 00:53:58,210
they had the videos and they said yes we

1170
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,280
didn't know they had those we were not

1171
00:54:06,839 --> 00:54:02,800
prepared to share those videos with the

1172
00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:06,849
public when the New York Times did it so

1173
00:54:11,309 --> 00:54:09,400
the New York Times push their hand and

1174
00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:11,319
this is a great example the New York

1175
00:54:16,339 --> 00:54:14,260
Times released more information than

1176
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:16,349
they were prepared to have released

1177
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:19,240
because they did their due diligence and

1178
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:20,950
they did their job and they did their

1179
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:23,310
digging and came up with with

1180
00:54:27,809 --> 00:54:26,260
information so it was just I've got to

1181
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:27,819
take a break right here but so it was

1182
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:32,920
just a coincidence that Leslie Cain got

1183
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:35,470
the same videos oh it's not a

1184
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:37,900
coincidence at all so the process is

1185
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:40,690
these videos are approved these videos

1186
00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:44,290
which I think likely Elizondo you know

1187
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:46,869
found and identified and got the Navy to

1188
00:54:52,109 --> 00:54:49,720
approve that they are able to be

1189
00:54:54,809 --> 00:54:52,119
released to the public they got those

1190
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:54,819
videos they were out there we know from

1191
00:55:00,930 --> 00:54:57,220
several researchers who have contacted

1192
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:00,940
the Navy tic-tacs was a known term for

1193
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:03,970
this UFO type that it was known inside

1194
00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:05,140
the Navy that people had

1195
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:07,269
seen these tic-tac UFOs we know this

1196
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:09,490
from Tyler rogue away we know this from

1197
00:55:13,799 --> 00:55:12,010
Robert Powell I think John Greenwald has

1198
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:13,809
even said something similar where they

1199
00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:15,430
were like yeah the Tic Tacs we know what

1200
00:55:21,059 --> 00:55:18,190
that is and and we know from the Tyler

1201
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:21,069
rogue away article from the drive that

1202
00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:24,130
the Nimitz wasn't the only ones who saw

1203
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:25,990
this Tic Tac that's Tic Tac has been

1204
00:55:32,579 --> 00:55:28,510
seen across several different squadrons

1205
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:32,589
and pilots over the years so that was a

1206
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:35,710
known thing so whoever the New York

1207
00:55:40,799 --> 00:55:38,049
Times talked to was aware of these

1208
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:40,809
videos obviously and these are the only

1209
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:44,980
videos we know of that are purported to

1210
00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:48,700
be UFOs that that are available so

1211
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:51,339
whoever they talked to knew they were

1212
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:53,529
available knew how to get a hold of them

1213
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:57,010
knew that they were able to be released

1214
00:56:03,329 --> 00:56:00,599
or maybe didn't but didn't care and

1215
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:03,339
provided those videos to them let's take

1216
00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:04,890
a break right here our guest tonight

1217
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:08,920
Alejandro Rojas UFO mine TV is the

1218
00:56:14,279 --> 00:56:11,230
website the links are yours also along

1219
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:14,289
raus calm the links are over at Jimmy

1220
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:15,730
Church radio.com we'll be right back

1221
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:54,330
[Music]

1222
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:00,200
welcome back fade to black

1223
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:01,530
I am Merrill assume a church our guest

1224
00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:05,030
tonight Alejandro Rojas over the weekend

1225
00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:07,320
someone posted up in Twitter doug

1226
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:10,260
aldrich playing this song flavo phrase

1227
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:13,500
and it's a great video I posted it up

1228
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:15,510
there on Twitter and you guys have got

1229
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:17,970
to go check that out we you know so

1230
00:57:22,610 --> 00:57:20,460
familiar with with the bumper music here

1231
00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:22,620
but to see Doug playing that in front of

1232
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:24,300
a live audience is a pretty cool

1233
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:29,220
Alejandro I asked you earlier what it

1234
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:34,230
would take for you to accept that et is

1235
00:57:40,070 --> 00:57:37,890
here right and he said it probably would

1236
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:40,080
have to land on my front lawn and

1237
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:42,030
somebody step off and say we are here

1238
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:45,270
and I totally get that these three

1239
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:47,810
videos that have been so widely

1240
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:51,570
distributed and viewed now does that

1241
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:56,330
change your mind no and and the videos

1242
00:58:03,590 --> 00:57:59,220
videos and pictures are of limited use

1243
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:03,600
typically and with those videos for

1244
00:58:11,330 --> 00:58:07,170
example I don't have the expertise to

1245
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,340
determine you know what whether or not

1246
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:14,220
what is happening in those videos is

1247
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:17,910
something that is extraordinary so I

1248
00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:20,610
have to go with expert opinion that's

1249
00:58:26,330 --> 00:58:23,640
one thing we have lacking is we don't

1250
00:58:28,820 --> 00:58:26,340
have so allegedly these videos have been

1251
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:28,830
analyzed and determined to be something

1252
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:31,680
you know anomalous but we haven't seen

1253
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:33,780
any of that analysis nor do we even know

1254
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:36,540
who did that analysis and so that's

1255
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:39,180
something I hope comes forward sometime

1256
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:42,090
in the future now in McMinnville Oregon

1257
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:44,700
David flavor the Wing Commander who

1258
00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:48,180
chased the tick tack he did a little bit

1259
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:50,100
of analysis and explained some of the

1260
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:52,020
technicalities and why what were

1261
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,850
described what we're seeing there it's

1262
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,400
not what some of the skeptics believe

1263
00:59:01,340 --> 00:58:59,040
them to be and he made a lot of sense I

1264
00:59:04,070 --> 00:59:01,350
think he's one of the top expert

1265
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:04,080
opinions that we've heard from thus far

1266
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:06,990
so and of course he's an expert witness

1267
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:10,650
and what he says occurred as well so

1268
00:59:15,970 --> 00:59:12,210
a lot of these cases and that's why

1269
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:15,980
military cases are so good they rely on

1270
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:18,930
you know expert witnesses as opposed to

1271
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,450
just you know the average Joe out there

1272
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,000
people who you know are very familiar

1273
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:26,880
with our bleeding edge technology and

1274
00:59:33,350 --> 00:59:30,540
what it's capable of and why you know

1275
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:33,360
our technology maneuvers and it's

1276
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:36,900
capable of doing what it does so I've

1277
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:38,610
got to rely on expert opinion so the

1278
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,460
videos I think are a very little value I

1279
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:43,200
think there's not a whole lot of data

1280
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:45,510
the average Joe can take from that and

1281
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:47,640
and we haven't gotten enough in

1282
00:59:53,830 --> 00:59:49,740
supporting information to even prove

1283
00:59:56,420 --> 00:59:53,840
those videos or something you know

1284
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:56,430
extraordinary in fact you know until we

1285
01:00:00,860 --> 00:59:58,770
see some of that I am open to the idea

1286
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:00,870
that possibly you know they are

1287
01:00:07,310 --> 01:00:03,720
something more mundane it's just so far

1288
01:00:09,830 --> 01:00:07,320
in my from what I've seen you know or at

1289
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:09,840
least from what I've heard I think our

1290
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:11,970
best expert witness which would be I

1291
01:00:17,810 --> 01:00:16,500
think flavor at this point has said and

1292
01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:17,820
believes them to be something anomalous

1293
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:21,630
so what doe he's not sure so it's

1294
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:23,310
interesting what he says by the way if

1295
01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:24,900
you don't mind me knowing go ahead go

1296
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,550
ahead I was gonna rudely interrupt you

1297
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
so you first you first you're the host

1298
01:00:32,660 --> 01:00:30,960
you got it you got a guide us but I

1299
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:32,670
think it's just interesting that he says

1300
01:00:36,290 --> 01:00:34,530
you know at the very beginning he

1301
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:36,300
thought that it could be Russian or

1302
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:36,960
Chinese

1303
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:39,660
but what has convinced him that they are

1304
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:42,270
not Russian or Chinese is that you know

1305
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:45,330
the technology has not been has not come

1306
01:00:49,850 --> 01:00:47,880
out he has gotten no inkling that we

1307
01:00:53,330 --> 01:00:49,860
have that sort of technology that he

1308
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:53,340
witnessed in 2004 and he feels that now

1309
01:00:59,060 --> 01:00:56,850
that you know 15 years have gone by he

1310
01:01:01,460 --> 01:00:59,070
definitely would have caught wind of

1311
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:01,470
that sort of technology but that he has

1312
01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:06,830
not is what convinces him the most with

1313
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,300
you know your reference to the average

1314
01:01:14,180 --> 01:01:12,000
Joe you're you're far removed from the

1315
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:14,190
average Joe you've seen lots of video

1316
01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:18,300
lots of imagery you've interviewed

1317
01:01:23,090 --> 01:01:20,670
you've been writing about this topic for

1318
01:01:24,229 --> 01:01:23,100
a very long time I want you personally

1319
01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:24,239
when you

1320
01:01:31,099 --> 01:01:28,169
first saw the gimbal let's go with the

1321
01:01:34,969 --> 01:01:31,109
gimbal first the first time you saw the

1322
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:34,979
gimbal what went through your mind what

1323
01:01:40,339 --> 01:01:38,579
did you think well I'll tell you with

1324
01:01:42,219 --> 01:01:40,349
all of them I wasn't that impressed I

1325
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,229
was like you know I don't know enough to

1326
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,839
know if this is it and I had a little

1327
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,299
bit of practice the best training I had

1328
01:01:56,509 --> 01:01:51,119
I was looking at that sort of video was

1329
01:01:58,879 --> 01:01:56,519
the analysis done by the scientific

1330
01:01:59,509 --> 01:01:58,889
coalition for you ApS now is what

1331
01:02:01,879 --> 01:01:59,519
they're called

1332
01:02:05,959 --> 01:02:01,889
I they did this analysis of this

1333
01:02:09,609 --> 01:02:05,969
infrared video taken by Homeland

1334
01:02:12,259 --> 01:02:09,619
Security in Aguadilla in like what 2009

1335
01:02:13,999 --> 01:02:12,269
Puerto Rico and that was a very good

1336
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:14,009
video I thought that was actually more

1337
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:15,689
impressive than probably all three of

1338
01:02:21,649 --> 01:02:18,089
these videos and there was a lot of

1339
01:02:23,659 --> 01:02:21,659
debate on there and at least I feel you

1340
01:02:25,339 --> 01:02:23,669
know because we've had and I've written

1341
01:02:27,769 --> 01:02:25,349
on this you know where did the experts

1342
01:02:30,469 --> 01:02:27,779
the lie most of the expert opinion we

1343
01:02:33,019 --> 01:02:30,479
have on that video I feel and I've got

1344
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:33,029
an article to justify this is on the

1345
01:02:37,819 --> 01:02:35,039
edge of that that what they saw there

1346
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:37,829
was anomalous and so at least there I

1347
01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:40,799
had a little bit of practice on IR what

1348
01:02:44,659 --> 01:02:43,079
his capabilities are what you know the

1349
01:02:46,849 --> 01:02:44,669
movement of the aircraft and how that

1350
01:02:50,899 --> 01:02:46,859
would affect the perspective of the

1351
01:02:52,879 --> 01:02:50,909
camera but I actually had an expert

1352
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:52,889
witness who is an IR expert who

1353
01:02:58,249 --> 01:02:54,809
literally takes those sort of cameras

1354
01:03:00,379 --> 01:02:58,259
apart and puts them back together and he

1355
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:00,389
you know was able to also shed a lot of

1356
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:03,569
light on that on these newer ones you

1357
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:07,079
know we've got the word of you know

1358
01:03:11,989 --> 01:03:08,819
Elizondo that this analysis has been

1359
01:03:17,449 --> 01:03:11,999
done but we do we still have to see that

1360
01:03:18,409 --> 01:03:17,459
analysis so I was I was I wouldn't say I

1361
01:03:21,139 --> 01:03:18,419
was underwhelmed

1362
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:21,149
I was excited in not what I was seeing

1363
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:24,089
but I was excited that this was a piece

1364
01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:28,559
of evidence that supposedly you know

1365
01:03:33,019 --> 01:03:31,169
experts believed was anomalous and

1366
01:03:34,429 --> 01:03:33,029
that's the part that was most excited

1367
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:34,439
about if that makes sense

1368
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:35,500
well

1369
01:03:43,410 --> 01:03:40,450
can your did you did you say not enough

1370
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:43,420
you know to yourself or do you know did

1371
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:46,450
you did you blow it off me when I first

1372
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:49,390
saw the the gimbal footage I was blown

1373
01:03:57,780 --> 01:03:51,910
away I mean I was aware okay well I was

1374
01:04:00,270 --> 01:03:57,790
I was and there were certain members of

1375
01:04:03,090 --> 01:04:00,280
this community of researchers of note

1376
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:03,100
that that came at me really really

1377
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:05,470
really hard that this is this is

1378
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:08,620
absolutely a nothing burger and I went

1379
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:11,350
back and I I defended the position of

1380
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:15,810
the gimbal today when I look at it today

1381
01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:19,840
it feels like this is this is just me as

1382
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:22,870
my opinion but it feels like the

1383
01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:26,910
spinning that is going on there is us I

1384
01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:29,830
think it's the camera spinning I think

1385
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:32,080
it's the gimbal spinning I I don't think

1386
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:35,410
that the craft itself is spinning I did

1387
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:37,330
originally I thought man that's a crazy

1388
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:39,550
rotation that doesn't look like an

1389
01:04:47,370 --> 01:04:42,460
aircraft that you know but but yeah my

1390
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:47,380
feeling is that rotation is the the

1391
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:50,110
aircraft itself that is shooting the

1392
01:04:55,050 --> 01:04:53,170
video and it's equipment this is why

1393
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:55,060
it's exciting David flavor I would go

1394
01:04:59,520 --> 01:04:57,130
listen to him in McMinnville cuz he

1395
01:05:02,310 --> 01:04:59,530
explains why that is not the case and

1396
01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:02,320
why the aerodynamics just do not work

1397
01:05:07,350 --> 01:05:05,590
and nor do the visuals of what's

1398
01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:07,360
happening there and he describes very

1399
01:05:14,010 --> 01:05:11,620
clearly why it is certainly anomalous

1400
01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:14,020
and strange and it shouldn't be doing

1401
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:16,660
what it's doing and he makes a lot of

1402
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:18,220
sense when he describes that now it

1403
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:21,010
reference him but I guess I would say it

1404
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:24,630
this way in that I have seen much more

1405
01:05:30,690 --> 01:05:28,240
convincing an exciting video that has

1406
01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:30,700
turned out to be mundane and that is why

1407
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:35,230
when I see videos I reserve my judgment

1408
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:38,140
mostly because I know my friend let's

1409
01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:40,810
say Mark Dantonio who's good at this or

1410
01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:43,660
others are gonna burst my bubble like

1411
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:45,550
they have many times if I get too

1412
01:05:50,289 --> 01:05:47,180
excited about it

1413
01:05:52,269 --> 01:05:50,299
I'm currently excited about the gimbal

1414
01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:52,279
and about the Aguadilla videos because I

1415
01:05:59,559 --> 01:05:54,950
think the experts make a lot of sense in

1416
01:06:01,839 --> 01:05:59,569
the the more of the X those with the

1417
01:06:04,329 --> 01:06:01,849
higher levels of expertise have been

1418
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:04,339
able to explain why it is anomalous such

1419
01:06:09,789 --> 01:06:06,890
as david flavor if you get into you know

1420
01:06:12,009 --> 01:06:09,799
his explanation speaking to those points

1421
01:06:16,509 --> 01:06:12,019
that you just made yeah

1422
01:06:18,910 --> 01:06:16,519
the Aguadilla video that when and i've

1423
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:18,920
watched that video a hundred times if

1424
01:06:26,109 --> 01:06:23,450
not more you can clearly see its its

1425
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:26,119
speed you can see it traveling up the

1426
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:29,690
runway and that's not the closer for me

1427
01:06:36,130 --> 01:06:32,930
though the closer is when it goes into

1428
01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:36,140
the water and comes back out that that

1429
01:06:41,620 --> 01:06:38,839
you can see its motion you can see it

1430
01:06:43,539 --> 01:06:41,630
moving and when it does that that's when

1431
01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:43,549
i just i have to back up and go okay now

1432
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:45,140
that that was strange

1433
01:06:49,809 --> 01:06:47,450
well i kind of say you know a lot of the

1434
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:49,819
skeptics and debunkers who debunk the

1435
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:55,130
Aguadilla video are applying there and i

1436
01:07:03,160 --> 01:06:59,359
don't mean this in a bad way they're

1437
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:03,170
applying their kind of amateurs you know

1438
01:07:08,589 --> 01:07:07,190
work to these other videos and i don't

1439
01:07:10,779 --> 01:07:08,599
think you could do that i don't think we

1440
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:10,789
can be definitive about these videos

1441
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:14,150
until we see this other analysis that's

1442
01:07:19,329 --> 01:07:16,490
out there because you have to counter

1443
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:19,339
that you have to say so for instance why

1444
01:07:23,529 --> 01:07:21,230
i wrote these pieces was like okay if

1445
01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:23,539
you're gonna explain these away then you

1446
01:07:29,049 --> 01:07:26,390
have to answer the experts you have to

1447
01:07:32,170 --> 01:07:29,059
be able to counter the expert opinions

1448
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:32,180
and their descriptions of why they're

1449
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:34,490
describing this is the case you've got

1450
01:07:38,019 --> 01:07:36,410
to counter that and most of the time

1451
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:38,029
these guys don't they're none you know

1452
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:40,250
this is i already proved it you know

1453
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:42,680
well you have it until you can counter

1454
01:07:47,019 --> 01:07:45,650
that and as a journalist i've got to go

1455
01:07:49,049 --> 01:07:47,029
with the highest expert opinion

1456
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:49,059
especially if you have more than one

1457
01:07:54,190 --> 01:07:51,980
because i'm not the expert and I've got

1458
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:54,200
to take myself out of it because i have

1459
01:07:58,599 --> 01:07:56,450
to use the expert opinion because i'm I

1460
01:08:00,310 --> 01:07:58,609
don't have expertise I've never flown a

1461
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:00,320
jet fighter or

1462
01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:02,570
and I've never used you know IR cameras

1463
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,550
especially a high-tech like that so I

1464
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:07,280
wouldn't know but certainly the pilots

1465
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,430
and the weather they call them I forget

1466
01:08:15,580 --> 01:08:13,520
the whiz O's that are flying those Jets

1467
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:15,590
are have done it for many many hours

1468
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:20,020
than they are experts now what about the

1469
01:08:27,010 --> 01:08:23,180
the complete videos we're only looking

1470
01:08:29,950 --> 01:08:27,020
at seconds were the video here what

1471
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:29,960
about what was shot before and what was

1472
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:34,310
shot after and why why is that not

1473
01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:36,850
released why not show the whole video

1474
01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:39,859
well we're lucky to have anything at all

1475
01:08:45,310 --> 01:08:42,230
with these videos in fact Aguadilla was

1476
01:08:48,099 --> 01:08:45,320
leaked I think that the witnesses

1477
01:08:50,110 --> 01:08:48,109
thought it was ok to leak it but the DoD

1478
01:08:52,270 --> 01:08:50,120
or the homeland security I said no those

1479
01:08:58,060 --> 01:08:52,280
were not supposed to be leaked they told

1480
01:09:01,360 --> 01:08:58,070
this to our buddy they're devoid blog

1481
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:01,370
out of the affricate you know Billy Cox

1482
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:03,980
but essentially they didn't want those

1483
01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:06,530
release then and these videos were

1484
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:08,750
allowed to be released and they're so

1485
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:11,240
short because they're very you know

1486
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:13,460
methods and procedures and and there's a

1487
01:09:19,930 --> 01:09:16,630
lot of top-secret stuff on those planes

1488
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:19,940
how the planes operate the procedures

1489
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,250
and the way they do what they do all of

1490
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:23,839
this is top-secret when they're doing

1491
01:09:29,410 --> 01:09:27,290
their training exercises they are you

1492
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:29,420
know they're following procedures they

1493
01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:30,710
don't want the end of me to know because

1494
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:32,180
they don't want the end of me to know

1495
01:09:35,710 --> 01:09:33,350
what they're up to

1496
01:09:37,060 --> 01:09:35,720
so that's why we've got very little of

1497
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,070
the video that's the way that it's been

1498
01:09:41,770 --> 01:09:38,960
described with me I've seen this in the

1499
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,780
past so it makes sense I you know

1500
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:44,000
somehow I guess what happened before and

1501
01:09:48,849 --> 01:09:46,490
after was something that somebody said

1502
01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:48,859
no we can't allow that code go out to

1503
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:49,880
the public there's too much information

1504
01:09:55,630 --> 01:09:52,730
there's something in that shot that we

1505
01:09:58,030 --> 01:09:55,640
just can't let the public or our enemy

1506
01:10:00,700 --> 01:09:58,040
see like what what would that be

1507
01:10:04,150 --> 01:10:00,710
certainly I think it would be Burbidge

1508
01:10:07,450 --> 01:10:04,160
anything from verbage to you it would be

1509
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:07,460
take the verbage out just the video well

1510
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,070
then it could be some sort of maneuver

1511
01:10:14,050 --> 01:10:12,800
it could be some sort of craft it could

1512
01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:14,060
be some sort of

1513
01:10:20,140 --> 01:10:17,480
action between them and maybe they're a

1514
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:20,150
whack the radar ship that's up there I

1515
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:22,130
mean again this is one of those

1516
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:24,530
situations where we don't know what we

1517
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:27,290
don't know and certainly it could be

1518
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:30,050
that they're being overly sensitive that

1519
01:10:35,980 --> 01:10:33,310
what comes before and after is not that

1520
01:10:37,930 --> 01:10:35,990
important to keep secret and we I think

1521
01:10:40,510 --> 01:10:37,940
there's no one who would disagree that

1522
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:40,520
the our military is a problem with over

1523
01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:44,000
secrecy so I think you know we're lucky

1524
01:10:51,670 --> 01:10:49,790
we got anything and that and that's part

1525
01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:51,680
of the problem we've gotten so little

1526
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:53,870
that we really need to see the rest of

1527
01:10:59,170 --> 01:10:55,880
that and it kind of gets back to your

1528
01:11:01,840 --> 01:10:59,180
other question because the way it's been

1529
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:01,850
described and I think the way we've seen

1530
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:04,610
this play out and more importantly is

1531
01:11:08,410 --> 01:11:06,770
that these guys have said look we were

1532
01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:08,420
able to share a little bit of

1533
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:11,630
information but that's it so now what

1534
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:13,070
we're trying to do is grease the wheels

1535
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:15,710
we're trying to go to you know our

1536
01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:19,310
colleagues we're going to military

1537
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,460
leadership we're going to law makers and

1538
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,040
we're saying hey you're sitting on

1539
01:11:29,230 --> 01:11:26,960
information that the public should see

1540
01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:29,240
and needs to see and you need to share

1541
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:32,180
that information and it's okay to share

1542
01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:34,490
that information because our pilots are

1543
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:36,260
seeing this you know this is credible

1544
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:38,090
stuff it's time for this stuff to come

1545
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,310
out and certainly we've seen then

1546
01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:43,040
headway being made we've seen the Navy

1547
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:45,980
kind of coming on board and saying okay

1548
01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:48,410
we're going to participate in getting

1549
01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:51,020
out more information and making this

1550
01:11:56,590 --> 01:11:53,150
topic more credible we've seen an

1551
01:12:00,030 --> 01:11:56,600
abundance now every week for the last

1552
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:00,040
few weeks we've seen a new senator or

1553
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,110
lawmaker come out and say hey I was in

1554
01:12:07,090 --> 01:12:05,120
the committee where we talked about UFOs

1555
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:07,100
and it is an important topic and we need

1556
01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:09,260
to know more so we are seeing that

1557
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:12,680
happen and we're seeing not just you

1558
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:15,710
know interviews with the president but

1559
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:18,200
obviously you know even before the

1560
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:20,330
president was asked the question have

1561
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,310
you been briefed on this he was briefed

1562
01:12:27,220 --> 01:12:24,800
on it even though he said it was a short

1563
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:27,230
meeting but at least they brought up the

1564
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:27,550
top

1565
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:31,840
to him so this this will greasing has

1566
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:37,450
obviously been very effective the do you

1567
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:41,380
believe that our government any branch

1568
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:45,090
any agency anything in Washington DC

1569
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:49,600
knows definitively the truth about UFOs

1570
01:12:57,450 --> 01:12:52,870
and ET and contact and visitations on

1571
01:13:00,180 --> 01:12:57,460
this planet I would say no I and I I

1572
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:00,190
think that the more I've looked into you

1573
01:13:05,370 --> 01:13:02,110
and been involved with all of this the

1574
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:05,380
more that that had I was skeptical of

1575
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:07,870
that perspective it's sort of this

1576
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:12,070
perspective that John Alexander has

1577
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:14,230
pushed forward because he you know like

1578
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:16,120
I said before he looked for the man and

1579
01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:20,080
couldn't find the man ID and it seemed

1580
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:22,750
to be to fit even when you interview the

1581
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:24,910
military where you see that report went

1582
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:27,490
with the Nimitz when these guys these

1583
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:31,920
pilots got back to the aircraft carrier

1584
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:34,480
the they were made fun of there are

1585
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:37,150
people wearing tinfoil hats and that

1586
01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:39,910
report was very clear about the attitude

1587
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,430
of the jokey attitude and people mating

1588
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:45,280
being made fun of and I've heard over

1589
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:47,530
and over again talking to military

1590
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,190
witnesses

1591
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:51,040
I never told I never reported that up

1592
01:13:58,170 --> 01:13:54,280
because I didn't want to made fun of I

1593
01:14:00,420 --> 01:13:58,180
knew one radar operator who worked the

1594
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:00,430
dew line back in the 60s this is a line

1595
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:02,110
where we're watching the Russians were

1596
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:04,810
out there and they got they tweaked

1597
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:07,300
their radars and they were seeing UFOs I

1598
01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:10,090
his name was glass name was Carter so

1599
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:13,030
whenever they had some anomalous things

1600
01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:15,370
it by that was at a high altitude they

1601
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:17,230
would call up Carter and say hey we got

1602
01:14:21,150 --> 01:14:20,170
Carter's contact ID you know check our

1603
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:21,160
radar to make sure it's functioning

1604
01:14:25,050 --> 01:14:23,470
properly and they would report that and

1605
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,060
they did get a lot of heck a lot of

1606
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:28,480
people came to look at it and and this

1607
01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:30,190
guy asked some of the other radar

1608
01:14:33,930 --> 01:14:31,990
operators on the other ships aren't you

1609
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:33,940
getting these things too and they said

1610
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:35,770
yeah but we're not telling anybody we're

1611
01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:37,720
not going to go through that crap and

1612
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:39,820
you hear this sort of thing over and

1613
01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:41,400
over and over again that people are

1614
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:44,340
not reporting them because of if they're

1615
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:46,260
not treated well you read this in

1616
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:49,590
rappels book how that was a problem with

1617
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:51,210
Project Blue Book he was going out to

1618
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:53,250
scientists and others and they were

1619
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:55,260
telling him these incredible UFO stories

1620
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,340
and he would say well why haven't you

1621
01:14:58,939 --> 01:14:57,600
reported them to us and they said

1622
01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:58,949
because you guys don't take him

1623
01:15:02,959 --> 01:15:01,260
seriously you know the last few years

1624
01:15:04,580 --> 01:15:02,969
all you do is debunk our stories what

1625
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:04,590
the hell are we gonna share them with

1626
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:08,250
you so I think that they they most

1627
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,530
likely of course I don't know for sure

1628
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,480
a guy could be wrong they most likely

1629
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,880
don't have the full story they're

1630
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:17,040
probably a few steps ahead of us that's

1631
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,570
for sure but why not say it then you

1632
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:23,040
know because why do you want to say I

1633
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:24,780
wouldn't say it if I were them oh you

1634
01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:26,130
know we've got these things flying

1635
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:27,900
around it's our job to protect the

1636
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:30,810
airspace but we can't so if you know

1637
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:32,489
like everybody no that's not what I'm

1638
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:34,440
saying oh I would love for them to say

1639
01:15:42,169 --> 01:15:36,560
that know what I'm saying oh me too I

1640
01:15:45,260 --> 01:15:42,179
know what I'm saying is if they don't if

1641
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:45,270
they don't have anything about ETS

1642
01:15:51,860 --> 01:15:48,360
visiting earth and UFOs why not come out

1643
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:51,870
and say that we see has never been here

1644
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:55,980
there is nothing they've never ever said

1645
01:16:01,010 --> 01:15:58,920
that they have they certainly have in

1646
01:16:03,890 --> 01:16:01,020
fact when I Steve Bassett

1647
01:16:07,220 --> 01:16:03,900
was able to get enough signatures on the

1648
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:07,230
we the people you know petition to have

1649
01:16:14,180 --> 01:16:10,170
that question asked of the White House

1650
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:14,190
the scientific advisor to the president

1651
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,290
came out and wrote a statement saying

1652
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:18,719
exactly that we do not have any evidence

1653
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:21,900
of aliens visiting us and unfortunately

1654
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:24,060
we don't have evidence of exit

1655
01:16:27,649 --> 01:16:26,100
intelligent civilizations existing at

1656
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:27,659
all even though you know there's a

1657
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:29,489
consensus among scientists at this

1658
01:16:33,740 --> 01:16:31,230
probably they're probably out there

1659
01:16:36,110 --> 01:16:33,750
somewhere that was kind of the the gist

1660
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:36,120
of the message yeah but they have said

1661
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,940
that right but I would also argue though

1662
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:40,560
that this is something this is something

1663
01:16:44,959 --> 01:16:42,540
that really got me into this topic is

1664
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:44,969
that the public does not in isn't aware

1665
01:16:51,169 --> 01:16:48,000
that there has never been an overall

1666
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,179
consensus about this that you know at

1667
01:16:54,979 --> 01:16:53,280
the end of project signed the first Air

1668
01:16:57,739 --> 01:16:54,989
Force study they can

1669
01:16:59,689 --> 01:16:57,749
up with a paper that said you know UFOs

1670
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:59,699
are a real phenomena some of them could

1671
01:17:04,669 --> 01:17:02,159
be extraterrestrial and that was

1672
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:04,679
debatable that was people some people

1673
01:17:09,649 --> 01:17:07,050
got upset and all of a sudden there was

1674
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:09,659
that that sort of perspective was

1675
01:17:14,779 --> 01:17:13,320
completely quashed so uh and I think

1676
01:17:17,899 --> 01:17:14,789
there have been a large contingent

1677
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:17,909
contingency of people in not only our

1678
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:19,800
government but other governments who do

1679
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:21,570
believe there's something to this and do

1680
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:24,150
want more public information I believe

1681
01:17:30,979 --> 01:17:28,440
that that's Hulu Elizondo was that's who

1682
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:30,989
Chris Mullin was that's who most of

1683
01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:33,840
these people were that are now part of

1684
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,840
to the stars and and even with MUFON

1685
01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:38,880
people like John Schuessler and others

1686
01:17:43,870 --> 01:17:41,219
there are people who were working on

1687
01:17:47,060 --> 01:17:43,880
government projects who were pushing for

1688
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,070
more openness about you know this this

1689
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:49,440
mystery and looking into it and now I

1690
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:53,280
think they're having their day but this

1691
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:56,880
okay a science advisor to the president

1692
01:18:04,609 --> 01:18:00,300
making us a statement is is one thing

1693
01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:04,619
but I'm referring to the CIA or the Navy

1694
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:10,710
or the Air Force or anybody of that is

1695
01:18:15,459 --> 01:18:13,440
supposedly in possession of this

1696
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:15,469
knowledge this compartmentalized

1697
01:18:20,989 --> 01:18:18,210
knowledge and nobody knows the whole

1698
01:18:23,959 --> 01:18:20,999
story right we've all heard this you

1699
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:23,969
know that as well why haven't they come

1700
01:18:29,540 --> 01:18:27,570
out and said definitively that I think

1701
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:29,550
the public could handle it either way it

1702
01:18:34,009 --> 01:18:32,219
would suck if we were alone in this

1703
01:18:35,959 --> 01:18:34,019
universe or that we haven't been

1704
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:35,969
contacted of that they didn't know that

1705
01:18:40,549 --> 01:18:37,530
you know that that would bum me out

1706
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:40,559
but yeah that would say yeah that would

1707
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:43,409
suck but why not come out and say it

1708
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:46,800
instead of alluding to and it seems to

1709
01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:48,570
me that

1710
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:53,219
Elizondo and Mellon and and others are

1711
01:19:00,890 --> 01:18:57,659
alluding to they are getting the

1712
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:00,900
information on the reality of UFOs to us

1713
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:04,110
that that they know right and they're

1714
01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:06,449
gonna get it to us that that is their

1715
01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:07,659
mission

1716
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,030
get the reality of UFOs and and

1717
01:19:15,839 --> 01:19:12,880
technology and crash retrievals and

1718
01:19:18,270 --> 01:19:15,849
metamaterials out to the public that

1719
01:19:19,859 --> 01:19:18,280
they know exactly what's going on

1720
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:19,869
they're alluding to it without actually

1721
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:23,650
saying yes and that's I wouldn't I know

1722
01:19:29,969 --> 01:19:26,010
I wouldn't agree with that actually I

1723
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:29,979
don't know that they're alluding to that

1724
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:32,409
they have more information than we have

1725
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:35,169
at least some of them are I don't know

1726
01:19:39,709 --> 01:19:37,449
that Chris Mellon has ever made

1727
01:19:42,779 --> 01:19:39,719
statements to that effect

1728
01:19:44,489 --> 01:19:42,789
Elizondo has but he has that there's a

1729
01:19:47,069 --> 01:19:44,499
lot I don't know but here are some

1730
01:19:50,179 --> 01:19:47,079
things I believe I do know I even pushed

1731
01:19:53,219 --> 01:19:50,189
him on that point about you know the

1732
01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:53,229
potential crashes and I said well you're

1733
01:19:57,449 --> 01:19:55,300
trying to say that's your opinion right

1734
01:20:00,209 --> 01:19:57,459
that that's not something you can prove

1735
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:00,219
and he surprisingly said no I think I

1736
01:20:04,729 --> 01:20:02,289
mean that's not what I'm saying

1737
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:04,739
and I'm skeptical to be honest I don't

1738
01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:07,689
necessarily buy that and my Quentin you

1739
01:20:12,779 --> 01:20:09,070
know if it was up to me I'd say well

1740
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:12,789
improve it because otherwise it's just

1741
01:20:19,949 --> 01:20:18,130
talk and you know if you're gonna it you

1742
01:20:21,330 --> 01:20:19,959
know put up or shut up type of thing you

1743
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:21,340
know if you think you can prove this and

1744
01:20:27,330 --> 01:20:24,610
prove it otherwise don't talk about it I

1745
01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:27,340
think really if you suspect it's out

1746
01:20:30,689 --> 01:20:27,820
there

1747
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:30,699
then you need to do the research to to

1748
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,760
discover it otherwise you know I think

1749
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:35,679
that others I've talked to have said

1750
01:20:40,109 --> 01:20:37,689
they don't know of course Tom DeLonge is

1751
01:20:42,810 --> 01:20:40,119
saying he knows a bunch about a lot of

1752
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:42,820
stuff but again he's not proving any of

1753
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:43,150
it

1754
01:20:51,179 --> 01:20:48,400
like a lot of the really enthusiastic

1755
01:20:52,949 --> 01:20:51,189
excited people in this build who have a

1756
01:20:56,399 --> 01:20:52,959
lot of information and have kind of

1757
01:20:58,770 --> 01:20:56,409
connected their own dots so I don't know

1758
01:21:01,529 --> 01:20:58,780
if they really do know and if they do

1759
01:21:04,759 --> 01:21:01,539
then they got to prove it at if they're

1760
01:21:06,839 --> 01:21:04,769
going to talk about it is my opinion so

1761
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,849
okay I have fair enough fair enough

1762
01:21:19,959 --> 01:21:08,560
let's take a bring right here

1763
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:22,660
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

1764
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:23,810
heroes Jimmy Church I want to thank

1765
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:25,910
Alejandro Rojas for coming in tonight

1766
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:30,110
and listen I'm just gonna let all of you

1767
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:35,780
know I've got some really bad pains in

1768
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:40,550
my abdomen right now and I I have to end

1769
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:43,310
the show now and I would like to stay

1770
01:21:49,870 --> 01:21:46,160
and take phone calls and rap but I just

1771
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:49,880
can't and so there you go

1772
01:21:55,630 --> 01:21:52,210
and I hope that I feel better tomorrow

1773
01:21:56,860 --> 01:21:55,640
but I will be I'll be back tomorrow

1774
01:21:59,290 --> 01:21:56,870
night and I'll see everybody tomorrow

1775
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,300
night and there you go

1776
01:22:05,709 --> 01:22:02,239
okay so race if you're listening run

1777
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:05,719
something else but this is a situation

1778
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:08,719
where I can't sit anymore in this chair

1779
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:10,250
I have to head home

1780
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:12,710
fade to black executive producers Freda

1781
01:22:16,270 --> 01:22:14,449
camera on shows produced by Hilton de

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01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:16,280
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01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:18,370
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01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:21,860
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01:22:25,930 --> 01:22:24,140
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01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,940
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01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:27,760
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01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,100
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01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:33,199
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01:22:37,330 --> 01:22:34,730
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01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:37,340
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1792
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:38,330
use anywhere in the known universe

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01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:40,250
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01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:41,750
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01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:44,330
our meals Jimmy Church you've been

1796
01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:46,780
watching me grimness all night in pain

1797
01:22:53,530 --> 01:22:51,560
on the bunker cam I you know I just

1798
01:22:56,350 --> 01:22:53,540
can't go I'll see everybody tomorrow

1799
01:23:00,080 --> 01:22:56,360
night until then everybody be safe